Re: THE SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE

Lars Hanson

Definitely an influenzal question, and one can breathe easier for not  having gotten it.  It would have been a lung time coming, and with the pain, one might well have wished for a new mo’ thorax.  The disease results in a severe ribbing.

Lars

======================

The time to solve this riddle just flu by. I won't mask my disappointment . It just kinda left me cold.

Gary R

======================

Alex,

Glad I did not "get" the kill on that one.

Gary R

==========================

What is unique about a Corona Virus riddle?

Answer:  You hope that nobody gets it.

Here I am One Sagan
_._,_._,_

Re: THE SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE

portagecreek

The time to solve this riddle just flu by. I won't mask my disappointment . It just kinda left me cold.

Gary R

-----Original Message-----
From: portagecreek
Sent: May 5, 2020 5:42 AM
To: main@puny.groups.io
Subject: Re: [puny] THE SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE

Alex,

Glad I did not "get" the kill on that one.

Gary R

-----Original Message-----
From: "One Sagan via groups.io"
Sent: May 5, 2020 1:28 AM
To: PUNY
Subject: [puny] THE SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE

What is unique about a Corona Virus riddle?

Answer:  You hope that nobody gets it.

Here I am One Sagan

Re: THE SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE

portagecreek

Alex,

Glad I did not "get" the kill on that one.

Gary R

-----Original Message-----
From: "One Sagan via groups.io"
Sent: May 5, 2020 1:28 AM
To: PUNY
Subject: [puny] THE SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE

What is unique about a Corona Virus riddle?

Answer:  You hope that nobody gets it.

Here I am One Sagan

THE SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE

One Sagan

What is unique about a Corona Virus riddle?

Answer:  You hope that nobody gets it.

Here I am One Sagan

Rogue Riddle 1022 - Staes 4 and Clue Set 2 --

Lars Hanson

All,

The riddles are continuing to fall!  Currently five players are active, and four already have solved the bonus question.

Any more players out there?

Current riddle stats (5 players):

5 correct –  3:   1, 8, 15

4 correct –  8:    4, 7, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 20

3 correct –  5:   2, 3, 5, 9, 18

2 correct –  2:   10, 14,

1 correct –  2:   6, 19

Clue Set #1:  Letter counts for the first ten riddles are shown below.

Clue Set #2:  Letter counts for the remaining ten riddles are shown below.

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Rogue Riddle #1022

Final Potpourri

What’s in a name?  Many things.  To simplify things, initially one might well look for the bonus answer, particularly in this potpourri.  Something to keep in mind while attacking this week’s offering . . . .

This week’s Rogue Riddle consists of twenty riddles plus a final bonus.  Each riddle has two answers which sound similar.  Both answers are required for full credit   And there are six Spoonerisms thrown in for good measure. As an example of homophones:

Q: She decided that pennies, too, should have knurled edges.  Thus did BLANK   become the first person to BLANK.

A:  MILLICENT / MILL A CENT

One “BLANK” is uses for each answer, where needed. Note that the indicator BLANK may stand in for one or more words.  Also, note that the BLANK may be preceded by the article “a.”  This provides no indication of whether or not the word or words the BLANK replaces begins with a vowel or silent “h.”

As always, effort has gone into the setup wording to provide necessary clues.

The riddle will run until 5:00 p.m. EST on Tuesday.  As usual, the first person to solve all the riddles will be declared the winner.  If no one has solved all the riddles by 5:00 p.m. EST on Wednesday, the one with the most correct answers will be declared the winner.

Now, on to the riddles.

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1.  Why is house cooling like preparing one’s offspring to take over after one has gone?  Both are BLANK  BLANK.

(3, 12 / 4, 12)

2.  What is the difference between a WW II amphibious vehicle and a sneaky landfall by a pirate?  One is a BLANK while the other is a BLANK.

(7, 5 / 6, 7)

3.  What is the difference between a post office locker and tastier smoked salmon?  One is a BLANK while the other is BLANK.

(9 or 6, 3 / 6, 3)

4.  It turned out he sewing simply was not strong enough, so the garment opened up revealingly, to the embarrassment of the wearer.  It appeared the BLANK had not adequately allowed for BLANK when sewing the garment.

(10 / 4, 6)

5.  The artistic chef liked to create visually stunning plates of food.  For one memorable meal he arranged various greens in the shape of a castle donjon, and then carefully arranged croutons to represent the surrounding battlements, thus becoming the first to create a BLANK.

(6-3, 5 / 7, 5)

6.  Women can be sensitive about their figure, as many a man has learned through experience.  This posed a problem for the husband, who was asked to buy BLANK outfits for his wife, but was afraid to BLANK.

(8 / 3, ‘2 or 3, 4)

7.  During World War I, this famous Brit in the Middle East was famous as a landlord who never charged his tenants very much.  Indeed, the BLANK of BLANK were well known throughout the region.

(3, 5 / 8)

8.  The big cat had a habit of resting sprawled across the warm macadam roadway, blocking the narrow street.  This impeded foot traffic as many were afraid to disturb the BLANK  BLANK.

(4’ / 4)

9.  The artistic chef had watched in fascination as people filled glasses to various levels, then ran moistened fingers along their rims to produce musical notes.  The notes differed depending upon the sizes of the glasses and how full they were.  He decided he might be able to achieve the same effect with a baking dish, and finally succeeded, becoming the first person to BLANK.

(4, 1, 9 / 4, 9)

10.  The container woven of stiff fibers in Montana had the unfortunate name of BLANK.

(6, 10)

11.  In an effort to improve his aim, the archer carefully studied BLANK.

(5, 8 / 12)

12.  The bird fanciers were capturing shorebirds, but alternated among themselves in doing so.  They were BLANK  BLANK.

(6, 5 / 6, 5)

13.  Tennis player Chris was searching in her capacious tennis bag.  Her difficulties caused BLANK to BLANK the bag.

(5 / 5)

14.  The young bird was snuggling cozily in its arboreal abode.  It could be described as a BLANK  BLANK.

(8 / 8)

15.  What is the difference between a soft ice cream store and a college official charged with responding to questions?  One is a BLANK while the other is the BLANK.

(5, 5 / 5, 4)

16.  What is the difference between a winter installation and convenience shop in a college residential building?  One is a BLANK while the other is a BLANK.

(5, 4 / 4, 5)

17.  What is the difference between a type of boot and a tattletale?  One is a BLANK while the other is a BLANK.

(10 / 7, 3)

18.  What is the difference between the tympanic membrane and a pirate’s cherished beverage?  One is a BLANK while the other is a BLANK.

(7 or 3, 4 / 4, 3)

19.  In her beau’s eyes, she seemed to shine, to glow, but seeing her the morning after a drunken party she had BLANK  BLANK in his eyes.

(4, ‘2 or 3 / 6)

20.  He was a strange young lad, always getting into mischief in the kitchen.  He was particularly intrigued by smearing animal fat all over the pantry.  Yes, he had become a BLANK  BLANK.

(6 / 6)

BONUS:  Use the first letters of the answers above in order to spell the title of an appropriate Shakespearean play.

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As always, it would be great to see some new faces this week!

Please remember to ensure your answers are directed to me.  You should be able just to hit “Reply” (thanks, Norm!),  but to be sure you may address all guesses, surmises, suppositions, estimates, conjectures, SWAG’s, stabs, pokes, and other such directly to me at:

parkersan2001@...

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

Re: Rogue Riddle Demise?

doug

why has Gary been so silent...sad cause that was his baby?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

Doug,

Currently 209 members, it looks like.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:18 PM doug via groups.io <doug10101=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
what's the number count of active members here?

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Marilyn Van Driesen via groups.io <merkv814=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main@puny.groups.io
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

Can we try one that will seem too simple to the pros?  We can at least work on them then, even if the speedy ones submit there's first.

Marilyn

On Monday, May 4, 2020, 12:58:42 PM CDT, Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...> wrote:

Bill,

Actually, the art-ups have been carefully worded to provide the context.  In many cases the definition of the answer is included in the setup.  In most cases,  reading the setup will provide the needed clues.  Concepts and content also are to be found in most setups.  The most successful approach is to use all of the information provided in the setup.

Nor do I use "crossword-style" clues.  Anything but!  :-D

Many, myself included, have found letter counts (which also provide word counts) useful.  Some obviously do not.

Yet again, it appears that a graduated approach really is going to be required.  Not all people on PUNY are of equal problem-solving ability, as is to ne expected.  Make themes simple enough for all to solve readily, and some will find the riddles too simple.  Make therm kore complex, and many, if not most, will find them too daunting.  So why not run, say, three levels of riddles?  There would be one for beginners, one for intermediates, and one for the more experienced.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM Bill Crider <bill.crider@...> wrote:
Perhaps making the riddles a bit easier or giving clearer clues would help. No offense meant here Lars, but i find your “crossword puzzle style” clues impenetrable.  That is not a criticism of you - they just don’t trigger whatever my mind needs to solve the puzzles. Word counts don’t really help either. Concepts or context are what i need.
Bill Crider

On May 4, 2020, at 9:08 AM, doug via groups.io <doug10101@...> wrote:

I'm with Ray. Sometimes, I maynard understand the riddles that seem to be coming from another atmosphere...I guess we're on the wrong plane

Doug S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Maynard <ray@...>
To: main@puny.groups.io; parkersan2001@... <parkersan2001@...>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 1:09 am
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

I'll just offer this as an independent opinion from one clearly not one of the elites in this group. For me, the Rogue Riddles are simply way over my head. I looked at the first few of them that I saw and quickly concluded that "these guys are in the stratosphere somewhere." I simply don't get them, so I don't participate. I enjoy puns. That's why I'm a member of the group, but the riddles are just way beyond my comprehension level. Perhaps that's the real reason for the lack of participation, or at least part of it.

Ray Maynard
ray@...

On 5/3/2020 12:04, doug via groups.io wrote:
what about offering a small prize to each week's winner, like a \$5 gift card to Starbucks (I send these all the time via email for my business)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 1:49 pm
Subject: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

All,

There seems to be some sort of misapprehension her about my and Kirk's statement on the Rogue Riddles.

Neither Kirk nor I have any particular desire to see the Rogue Riddles end.  Nor have we any particular desire to kill off the Rogue Riddles.  If anything, it is the general lack of participation in the riddles which is killing them off.

However, given the past several weeks during which Kirk and I simply traded Rogue Riddle sets with little or no participation by anyone else, and perfunctory other participation at best, it seemed yo us the game was dead.  Our conclusion that perhaps the Rogue Riddles have seen their day was based upon that lack of participation, and was not the result of any sinister motivations on our parts.

It takes time and effort to create and then administrate a Rogue Riddle series.  The more interesting and intriguing the riddles are, the more time and effort is required.  That time and effort is rewarded by the responses from the players.  No responses, no reward.  Quite frankly, if only one other person really is into the game, then it seems the game is dead. Hence our notes here.

If someone wants to continue the game, that's perfectly fine with me (and, I suspect, with Kirk).  I have enjoyed and been an avid participant in the riddles since they began as an off-list Riddle Chain over twenty years ago.  If others want to see the Rogue Riddles continue, then the best remedy is to participate.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

Re: Rogue Riddle Demise?

doug

wow...that's a whole lot more than I thought....did we merge with another group?  With 209, if we use the 10% rule, we should be getting 29 participants (if we can find the right riddle formula)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

Doug,

Currently 209 members, it looks like.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:18 PM doug via groups.io <doug10101=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
what's the number count of active members here?

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Marilyn Van Driesen via groups.io <merkv814=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main@puny.groups.io
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

Can we try one that will seem too simple to the pros?  We can at least work on them then, even if the speedy ones submit there's first.

Marilyn

On Monday, May 4, 2020, 12:58:42 PM CDT, Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...> wrote:

Bill,

Actually, the art-ups have been carefully worded to provide the context.  In many cases the definition of the answer is included in the setup.  In most cases,  reading the setup will provide the needed clues.  Concepts and content also are to be found in most setups.  The most successful approach is to use all of the information provided in the setup.

Nor do I use "crossword-style" clues.  Anything but!  :-D

Many, myself included, have found letter counts (which also provide word counts) useful.  Some obviously do not.

Yet again, it appears that a graduated approach really is going to be required.  Not all people on PUNY are of equal problem-solving ability, as is to ne expected.  Make themes simple enough for all to solve readily, and some will find the riddles too simple.  Make therm kore complex, and many, if not most, will find them too daunting.  So why not run, say, three levels of riddles?  There would be one for beginners, one for intermediates, and one for the more experienced.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM Bill Crider <bill.crider@...> wrote:
Perhaps making the riddles a bit easier or giving clearer clues would help. No offense meant here Lars, but i find your “crossword puzzle style” clues impenetrable.  That is not a criticism of you - they just don’t trigger whatever my mind needs to solve the puzzles. Word counts don’t really help either. Concepts or context are what i need.
Bill Crider

On May 4, 2020, at 9:08 AM, doug via groups.io <doug10101@...> wrote:

I'm with Ray. Sometimes, I maynard understand the riddles that seem to be coming from another atmosphere...I guess we're on the wrong plane

Doug S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Maynard <ray@...>
To: main@puny.groups.io; parkersan2001@... <parkersan2001@...>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 1:09 am
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

I'll just offer this as an independent opinion from one clearly not one of the elites in this group. For me, the Rogue Riddles are simply way over my head. I looked at the first few of them that I saw and quickly concluded that "these guys are in the stratosphere somewhere." I simply don't get them, so I don't participate. I enjoy puns. That's why I'm a member of the group, but the riddles are just way beyond my comprehension level. Perhaps that's the real reason for the lack of participation, or at least part of it.

Ray Maynard
ray@...

On 5/3/2020 12:04, doug via groups.io wrote:
what about offering a small prize to each week's winner, like a \$5 gift card to Starbucks (I send these all the time via email for my business)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 1:49 pm
Subject: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

All,

There seems to be some sort of misapprehension her about my and Kirk's statement on the Rogue Riddles.

Neither Kirk nor I have any particular desire to see the Rogue Riddles end.  Nor have we any particular desire to kill off the Rogue Riddles.  If anything, it is the general lack of participation in the riddles which is killing them off.

However, given the past several weeks during which Kirk and I simply traded Rogue Riddle sets with little or no participation by anyone else, and perfunctory other participation at best, it seemed yo us the game was dead.  Our conclusion that perhaps the Rogue Riddles have seen their day was based upon that lack of participation, and was not the result of any sinister motivations on our parts.

It takes time and effort to create and then administrate a Rogue Riddle series.  The more interesting and intriguing the riddles are, the more time and effort is required.  That time and effort is rewarded by the responses from the players.  No responses, no reward.  Quite frankly, if only one other person really is into the game, then it seems the game is dead. Hence our notes here.

If someone wants to continue the game, that's perfectly fine with me (and, I suspect, with Kirk).  I have enjoyed and been an avid participant in the riddles since they began as an off-list Riddle Chain over twenty years ago.  If others want to see the Rogue Riddles continue, then the best remedy is to participate.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

Re: Rogue Riddle Demise?

Lars Hanson

Doug,

Currently 209 members, it looks like.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:18 PM doug via groups.io <doug10101=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
what's the number count of active members here?

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Marilyn Van Driesen via groups.io <merkv814=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main@puny.groups.io
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

Can we try one that will seem too simple to the pros?  We can at least work on them then, even if the speedy ones submit there's first.

Marilyn

On Monday, May 4, 2020, 12:58:42 PM CDT, Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...> wrote:

Bill,

Actually, the art-ups have been carefully worded to provide the context.  In many cases the definition of the answer is included in the setup.  In most cases,  reading the setup will provide the needed clues.  Concepts and content also are to be found in most setups.  The most successful approach is to use all of the information provided in the setup.

Nor do I use "crossword-style" clues.  Anything but!  :-D

Many, myself included, have found letter counts (which also provide word counts) useful.  Some obviously do not.

Yet again, it appears that a graduated approach really is going to be required.  Not all people on PUNY are of equal problem-solving ability, as is to ne expected.  Make themes simple enough for all to solve readily, and some will find the riddles too simple.  Make therm kore complex, and many, if not most, will find them too daunting.  So why not run, say, three levels of riddles?  There would be one for beginners, one for intermediates, and one for the more experienced.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM Bill Crider <bill.crider@...> wrote:
Perhaps making the riddles a bit easier or giving clearer clues would help. No offense meant here Lars, but i find your “crossword puzzle style” clues impenetrable.  That is not a criticism of you - they just don’t trigger whatever my mind needs to solve the puzzles. Word counts don’t really help either. Concepts or context are what i need.
Bill Crider

On May 4, 2020, at 9:08 AM, doug via groups.io <doug10101@...> wrote:

I'm with Ray. Sometimes, I maynard understand the riddles that seem to be coming from another atmosphere...I guess we're on the wrong plane

Doug S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Maynard <ray@...>
To: main@puny.groups.io; parkersan2001@... <parkersan2001@...>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 1:09 am
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

I'll just offer this as an independent opinion from one clearly not one of the elites in this group. For me, the Rogue Riddles are simply way over my head. I looked at the first few of them that I saw and quickly concluded that "these guys are in the stratosphere somewhere." I simply don't get them, so I don't participate. I enjoy puns. That's why I'm a member of the group, but the riddles are just way beyond my comprehension level. Perhaps that's the real reason for the lack of participation, or at least part of it.

Ray Maynard
ray@...

On 5/3/2020 12:04, doug via groups.io wrote:
what about offering a small prize to each week's winner, like a \$5 gift card to Starbucks (I send these all the time via email for my business)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 1:49 pm
Subject: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

All,

There seems to be some sort of misapprehension her about my and Kirk's statement on the Rogue Riddles.

Neither Kirk nor I have any particular desire to see the Rogue Riddles end.  Nor have we any particular desire to kill off the Rogue Riddles.  If anything, it is the general lack of participation in the riddles which is killing them off.

However, given the past several weeks during which Kirk and I simply traded Rogue Riddle sets with little or no participation by anyone else, and perfunctory other participation at best, it seemed yo us the game was dead.  Our conclusion that perhaps the Rogue Riddles have seen their day was based upon that lack of participation, and was not the result of any sinister motivations on our parts.

It takes time and effort to create and then administrate a Rogue Riddle series.  The more interesting and intriguing the riddles are, the more time and effort is required.  That time and effort is rewarded by the responses from the players.  No responses, no reward.  Quite frankly, if only one other person really is into the game, then it seems the game is dead. Hence our notes here.

If someone wants to continue the game, that's perfectly fine with me (and, I suspect, with Kirk).  I have enjoyed and been an avid participant in the riddles since they began as an off-list Riddle Chain over twenty years ago.  If others want to see the Rogue Riddles continue, then the best remedy is to participate.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

Re: Rogue Riddle Demise?

doug

what's the number count of active members here?

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Marilyn Van Driesen via groups.io <merkv814@...>
To: main@puny.groups.io
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

Can we try one that will seem too simple to the pros?  We can at least work on them then, even if the speedy ones submit there's first.

Marilyn

On Monday, May 4, 2020, 12:58:42 PM CDT, Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...> wrote:

Bill,

Actually, the art-ups have been carefully worded to provide the context.  In many cases the definition of the answer is included in the setup.  In most cases,  reading the setup will provide the needed clues.  Concepts and content also are to be found in most setups.  The most successful approach is to use all of the information provided in the setup.

Nor do I use "crossword-style" clues.  Anything but!  :-D

Many, myself included, have found letter counts (which also provide word counts) useful.  Some obviously do not.

Yet again, it appears that a graduated approach really is going to be required.  Not all people on PUNY are of equal problem-solving ability, as is to ne expected.  Make themes simple enough for all to solve readily, and some will find the riddles too simple.  Make therm kore complex, and many, if not most, will find them too daunting.  So why not run, say, three levels of riddles?  There would be one for beginners, one for intermediates, and one for the more experienced.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM Bill Crider <bill.crider@...> wrote:
Perhaps making the riddles a bit easier or giving clearer clues would help. No offense meant here Lars, but i find your “crossword puzzle style” clues impenetrable.  That is not a criticism of you - they just don’t trigger whatever my mind needs to solve the puzzles. Word counts don’t really help either. Concepts or context are what i need.
Bill Crider

On May 4, 2020, at 9:08 AM, doug via groups.io <doug10101@...> wrote:

I'm with Ray. Sometimes, I maynard understand the riddles that seem to be coming from another atmosphere...I guess we're on the wrong plane

Doug S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Maynard <ray@...>
To: main@puny.groups.io; parkersan2001@... <parkersan2001@...>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 1:09 am
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

I'll just offer this as an independent opinion from one clearly not one of the elites in this group. For me, the Rogue Riddles are simply way over my head. I looked at the first few of them that I saw and quickly concluded that "these guys are in the stratosphere somewhere." I simply don't get them, so I don't participate. I enjoy puns. That's why I'm a member of the group, but the riddles are just way beyond my comprehension level. Perhaps that's the real reason for the lack of participation, or at least part of it.

Ray Maynard
ray@...

On 5/3/2020 12:04, doug via groups.io wrote:
what about offering a small prize to each week's winner, like a \$5 gift card to Starbucks (I send these all the time via email for my business)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 1:49 pm
Subject: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

All,

There seems to be some sort of misapprehension her about my and Kirk's statement on the Rogue Riddles.

Neither Kirk nor I have any particular desire to see the Rogue Riddles end.  Nor have we any particular desire to kill off the Rogue Riddles.  If anything, it is the general lack of participation in the riddles which is killing them off.

However, given the past several weeks during which Kirk and I simply traded Rogue Riddle sets with little or no participation by anyone else, and perfunctory other participation at best, it seemed yo us the game was dead.  Our conclusion that perhaps the Rogue Riddles have seen their day was based upon that lack of participation, and was not the result of any sinister motivations on our parts.

It takes time and effort to create and then administrate a Rogue Riddle series.  The more interesting and intriguing the riddles are, the more time and effort is required.  That time and effort is rewarded by the responses from the players.  No responses, no reward.  Quite frankly, if only one other person really is into the game, then it seems the game is dead. Hence our notes here.

If someone wants to continue the game, that's perfectly fine with me (and, I suspect, with Kirk).  I have enjoyed and been an avid participant in the riddles since they began as an off-list Riddle Chain over twenty years ago.  If others want to see the Rogue Riddles continue, then the best remedy is to participate.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

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Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

Re: Rogue Riddle Demise?

Marilyn Van Driesen

Can we try one that will seem too simple to the pros?  We can at least work on them then, even if the speedy ones submit there's first.

Marilyn

On Monday, May 4, 2020, 12:58:42 PM CDT, Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...> wrote:

Bill,

Actually, the art-ups have been carefully worded to provide the context.  In many cases the definition of the answer is included in the setup.  In most cases,  reading the setup will provide the needed clues.  Concepts and content also are to be found in most setups.  The most successful approach is to use all of the information provided in the setup.

Nor do I use "crossword-style" clues.  Anything but!  :-D

Many, myself included, have found letter counts (which also provide word counts) useful.  Some obviously do not.

Yet again, it appears that a graduated approach really is going to be required.  Not all people on PUNY are of equal problem-solving ability, as is to ne expected.  Make themes simple enough for all to solve readily, and some will find the riddles too simple.  Make therm kore complex, and many, if not most, will find them too daunting.  So why not run, say, three levels of riddles?  There would be one for beginners, one for intermediates, and one for the more experienced.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM Bill Crider <bill.crider@...> wrote:
Perhaps making the riddles a bit easier or giving clearer clues would help. No offense meant here Lars, but i find your “crossword puzzle style” clues impenetrable.  That is not a criticism of you - they just don’t trigger whatever my mind needs to solve the puzzles. Word counts don’t really help either. Concepts or context are what i need.
Bill Crider

On May 4, 2020, at 9:08 AM, doug via groups.io <doug10101@...> wrote:

I'm with Ray. Sometimes, I maynard understand the riddles that seem to be coming from another atmosphere...I guess we're on the wrong plane

Doug S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Maynard <ray@...>
To: main@puny.groups.io; parkersan2001@... <parkersan2001@...>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 1:09 am
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

I'll just offer this as an independent opinion from one clearly not one of the elites in this group. For me, the Rogue Riddles are simply way over my head. I looked at the first few of them that I saw and quickly concluded that "these guys are in the stratosphere somewhere." I simply don't get them, so I don't participate. I enjoy puns. That's why I'm a member of the group, but the riddles are just way beyond my comprehension level. Perhaps that's the real reason for the lack of participation, or at least part of it.

Ray Maynard
ray@...

On 5/3/2020 12:04, doug via groups.io wrote:
what about offering a small prize to each week's winner, like a \$5 gift card to Starbucks (I send these all the time via email for my business)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 1:49 pm
Subject: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

All,

There seems to be some sort of misapprehension her about my and Kirk's statement on the Rogue Riddles.

Neither Kirk nor I have any particular desire to see the Rogue Riddles end.  Nor have we any particular desire to kill off the Rogue Riddles.  If anything, it is the general lack of participation in the riddles which is killing them off.

However, given the past several weeks during which Kirk and I simply traded Rogue Riddle sets with little or no participation by anyone else, and perfunctory other participation at best, it seemed yo us the game was dead.  Our conclusion that perhaps the Rogue Riddles have seen their day was based upon that lack of participation, and was not the result of any sinister motivations on our parts.

It takes time and effort to create and then administrate a Rogue Riddle series.  The more interesting and intriguing the riddles are, the more time and effort is required.  That time and effort is rewarded by the responses from the players.  No responses, no reward.  Quite frankly, if only one other person really is into the game, then it seems the game is dead. Hence our notes here.

If someone wants to continue the game, that's perfectly fine with me (and, I suspect, with Kirk).  I have enjoyed and been an avid participant in the riddles since they began as an off-list Riddle Chain over twenty years ago.  If others want to see the Rogue Riddles continue, then the best remedy is to participate.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

A riddle

One Sagan

What is unique about a Corona Virus riddle?

Here I am One Sagan

Rogue Riddle 1022 Status 3 and Clue Set 1 ---

Lars Hanson

All,

The riddles are falling quickly!  Chris has joined the fray this week, so currently five players are active, and four already have solved the bonus question.

Any more players out there?

Current riddle stats (5 players):

5 correct –  3:   1, 8, 15

4 correct –  6:    4, 7, 12, 13, 16, 17

3 correct –  5:   3, 9, 11, 18, 20

2 correct –  3:   2, 5, 14,

1 correct –  3:   6, 10, 19

Clue Set #1:  Letter counts for the first ten riddles are shown below.

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Rogue Riddle #1022

Final Potpourri

What’s in a name?  Many things.  To simplify things, initially one might well look for the bonus answer, particularly in this potpourri.  Something to keep in mind while attacking this week’s offering . . . .

This week’s Rogue Riddle consists of twenty riddles plus a final bonus.  Each riddle has two answers which sound similar.  Both answers are required for full credit   And there are six Spoonerisms thrown in for good measure. As an example of homophones:

Q: She decided that pennies, too, should have knurled edges.  Thus did BLANK   become the first person to BLANK.

A:  MILLICENT / MILL A CENT

One “BLANK” is uses for each answer, where needed. Note that the indicator BLANK may stand in for one or more words.  Also, note that the BLANK may be preceded by the article “a.”  This provides no indication of whether or not the word or words the BLANK replaces begins with a vowel or silent “h.”

As always, effort has gone into the setup wording to provide necessary clues.

The riddle will run until 5:00 p.m. EST on Tuesday.  As usual, the first person to solve all the riddles will be declared the winner.  If no one has solved all the riddles by 5:00 p.m. EST on Wednesday, the one with the most correct answers will be declared the winner.

Now, on to the riddles.

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1.  Why is house cooling like preparing one’s offspring to take over after one has gone?  Both are BLANK  BLANK.

(3, 12 / 4, 12)

2.  What is the difference between a WW II amphibious vehicle and a sneaky landfall by a pirate?  One is a BLANK while the other is a BLANK.

(7, 5 / 6, 7)

3.  What is the difference between a post office locker and tastier smoked salmon?  One is a BLANK while the other is BLANK.

(9 or 6, 3 / 6, 3)

4.  It turned out he sewing simply was not strong enough, so the garment opened up revealingly, to the embarrassment of the wearer.  It appeared the BLANK had not adequately allowed for BLANK when sewing the garment.

(10 / 4, 6)

5.  The artistic chef liked to create visually stunning plates of food.  For one memorable meal he arranged various greens in the shape of a castle donjon, and then carefully arranged croutons to represent the surrounding battlements, thus becoming the first to create a BLANK.

(6-3, 5 / 7, 5)

6.  Women can be sensitive about their figure, as many a man has learned through experience.  This posed a problem for the husband, who was asked to buy BLANK outfits for his wife, but was afraid to BLANK.

(8 / 3, ‘2 or 3, 4)

7.  During World War I, this famous Brit in the Middle East was famous as a landlord who never charged his tenants very much.  Indeed, the BLANK of BLANK were well known throughout the region.

(3, 5 / 8)

8.  The big cat had a habit of resting sprawled across the warm macadam roadway, blocking the narrow street.  This impeded foot traffic as many were afraid to disturb the BLANK  BLANK.

(4’ / 4)

9.  The artistic chef had watched in fascination as people filled glasses to various levels, then ran moistened fingers along their rims to produce musical notes.  The notes differed depending upon the sizes of the glasses and how full they were.  He decided he might be able to achieve the same effect with a baking dish, and finally succeeded, becoming the first person to BLANK.

(4, 1, 9 / 4, 9)

10.  The container woven of stiff fibers in Montana had the unfortunate name of BLANK.

(6, 10)

11.  In an effort to improve his aim, the archer carefully studied BLANK.

12.  The bird fanciers were capturing shorebirds, but alternated among themselves in doing so.  They were BLANK  BLANK.

13.  Tennis player Chris was searching in her capacious tennis bag.  Her difficulties caused BLANK to BLANK the bag.

14.  The young bird was snuggling cozily in its arboreal abode.  It could be described as a BLANK  BLANK.

15.  What is the difference between a soft ice cream store and a college official charged with responding to questions?  One is a BLANK while the other is the BLANK.

16.  What is the difference between a winter installation and convenience shop in a college residential building?  One is a BLANK while the other is a BLANK.

17.  What is the difference between a type of boot and a tattletale?  One is a BLANK while the other is a BLANK.

18.  What is the difference between the tympanic membrane and a pirate’s cherished beverage?  One is a BLANK while the other is a BLANK.

19.  In her beau’s eyes, she seemed to shine, to glow, but seeing her the morning after a drunken party she had BLANK  BLANK in his eyes.

20.  He was a strange young lad, always getting into mischief in the kitchen.  He was particularly intrigued by smearing animal fat all over the pantry.  Yes, he had become a BLANK  BLANK.

BONUS:  Use the first letters of the answers above in order to spell the title of an appropriate Shakespearean play.

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As always, it would be great to see some new faces this week!

Please remember to ensure your answers are directed to me.  You should be able just to hit “Reply” (thanks, Norm!),  but to be sure you may address all guesses, surmises, suppositions, estimates, conjectures, SWAG’s, stabs, pokes, and other such directly to me at:

parkersan2001@...

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

Rogue Riddle Demise?

James Ertner

I concur with Doug on the F-Riddles. They were quick and a lot of fun.

Jim
===============
Reading all these threads is a screaming cry for the return of the F-Riddles and to give the Rogues their proper burial

Doug
=================
Bill,

Actually, the art-ups have been carefully worded to provide the context.  In many cases the definition of the answer is included in the setup.  In most cases,  reading the setup will provide the needed clues.  Concepts and content also are to be found in most setups.  The most successful approach is to use all of the information provided in the setup.

Nor do I use "crossword-style" clues.  Anything but!  :-D

Many, myself included, have found letter counts (which also provide word counts) useful.  Some obviously do not.

Yet again, it appears that a graduated approach really is going to be required.  Not all people on PUNY are of equal problem-solving ability, as is to ne expected.  Make themes simple enough for all to solve readily, and some will find the riddles too simple.  Make therm kore complex, and many, if not most, will find them too daunting.  So why not run, say, three levels of riddles?  There would be one for beginners, one for intermediates, and one for the more experienced.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM Bill Crider <bill.crider@...> wrote:
Perhaps making the riddles a bit easier or giving clearer clues would help. No offense meant here Lars, but i find your “crossword puzzle style” clues impenetrable.  That is not a criticism of you - they just don’t trigger whatever my mind needs to solve the puzzles. Word counts don’t really help either. Concepts or context are what i need.
Bill Crider

On May 4, 2020, at 9:08 AM, doug via groups.io <doug10101@...> wrote:

I'm with Ray. Sometimes, I maynard understand the riddles that seem to be coming from another atmosphere...I guess we're on the wrong plane

Doug S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Maynard <ray@...>
To: main@puny.groups.io; parkersan2001@... <parkersan2001@...>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 1:09 am
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

I'll just offer this as an independent opinion from one clearly not one of the elites in this group. For me, the Rogue Riddles are simply way over my head. I looked at the first few of them that I saw and quickly concluded that "these guys are in the stratosphere somewhere." I simply don't get them, so I don't participate. I enjoy puns. That's why I'm a member of the group, but the riddles are just way beyond my comprehension level. Perhaps that's the real reason for the lack of participation, or at least part of it.

Ray Maynard
ray@...

On 5/3/2020 12:04, doug via groups.io wrote:
what about offering a small prize to each week's winner, like a \$5 gift card to Starbucks (I send these all the time via email for my business)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 1:49 pm
Subject: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

All,

There seems to be some sort of misapprehension her about my and Kirk's statement on the Rogue Riddles.

Neither Kirk nor I have any particular desire to see the Rogue Riddles end.  Nor have we any particular desire to kill off the Rogue Riddles.  If anything, it is the general lack of participation in the riddles which is killing them off.

However, given the past several weeks during which Kirk and I simply traded Rogue Riddle sets with little or no participation by anyone else, and perfunctory other participation at best, it seemed yo us the game was dead.  Our conclusion that perhaps the Rogue Riddles have seen their day was based upon that lack of participation, and was not the result of any sinister motivations on our parts.

It takes time and effort to create and then administrate a Rogue Riddle series.  The more interesting and intriguing the riddles are, the more time and effort is required.  That time and effort is rewarded by the responses from the players.  No responses, no reward.  Quite frankly, if only one other person really is into the game, then it seems the game is dead. Hence our notes here.

If someone wants to continue the game, that's perfectly fine with me (and, I suspect, with Kirk).  I have enjoyed and been an avid participant in the riddles since they began as an off-list Riddle Chain over twenty years ago.  If others want to see the Rogue Riddles continue, then the best remedy is to participate.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

Re: Rogue Riddle Demise?

doug

Reading all these threads is a screaming cry for the return of the F-Riddles and to give the Rogues their proper burial

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: Bill Crider <bill.crider@...>
Cc: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>; ray@... <ray@...>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

Bill,

Actually, the art-ups have been carefully worded to provide the context.  In many cases the definition of the answer is included in the setup.  In most cases,  reading the setup will provide the needed clues.  Concepts and content also are to be found in most setups.  The most successful approach is to use all of the information provided in the setup.

Nor do I use "crossword-style" clues.  Anything but!  :-D

Many, myself included, have found letter counts (which also provide word counts) useful.  Some obviously do not.

Yet again, it appears that a graduated approach really is going to be required.  Not all people on PUNY are of equal problem-solving ability, as is to ne expected.  Make themes simple enough for all to solve readily, and some will find the riddles too simple.  Make therm kore complex, and many, if not most, will find them too daunting.  So why not run, say, three levels of riddles?  There would be one for beginners, one for intermediates, and one for the more experienced.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM Bill Crider <bill.crider@...> wrote:
Perhaps making the riddles a bit easier or giving clearer clues would help. No offense meant here Lars, but i find your “crossword puzzle style” clues impenetrable.  That is not a criticism of you - they just don’t trigger whatever my mind needs to solve the puzzles. Word counts don’t really help either. Concepts or context are what i need.
Bill Crider

On May 4, 2020, at 9:08 AM, doug via groups.io <doug10101@...> wrote:

I'm with Ray. Sometimes, I maynard understand the riddles that seem to be coming from another atmosphere...I guess we're on the wrong plane

Doug S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Maynard <ray@...>
To: main@puny.groups.io; parkersan2001@... <parkersan2001@...>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 1:09 am
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

I'll just offer this as an independent opinion from one clearly not one of the elites in this group. For me, the Rogue Riddles are simply way over my head. I looked at the first few of them that I saw and quickly concluded that "these guys are in the stratosphere somewhere." I simply don't get them, so I don't participate. I enjoy puns. That's why I'm a member of the group, but the riddles are just way beyond my comprehension level. Perhaps that's the real reason for the lack of participation, or at least part of it.

Ray Maynard
ray@...

On 5/3/2020 12:04, doug via groups.io wrote:
what about offering a small prize to each week's winner, like a \$5 gift card to Starbucks (I send these all the time via email for my business)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 1:49 pm
Subject: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

All,

There seems to be some sort of misapprehension her about my and Kirk's statement on the Rogue Riddles.

Neither Kirk nor I have any particular desire to see the Rogue Riddles end.  Nor have we any particular desire to kill off the Rogue Riddles.  If anything, it is the general lack of participation in the riddles which is killing them off.

However, given the past several weeks during which Kirk and I simply traded Rogue Riddle sets with little or no participation by anyone else, and perfunctory other participation at best, it seemed yo us the game was dead.  Our conclusion that perhaps the Rogue Riddles have seen their day was based upon that lack of participation, and was not the result of any sinister motivations on our parts.

It takes time and effort to create and then administrate a Rogue Riddle series.  The more interesting and intriguing the riddles are, the more time and effort is required.  That time and effort is rewarded by the responses from the players.  No responses, no reward.  Quite frankly, if only one other person really is into the game, then it seems the game is dead. Hence our notes here.

If someone wants to continue the game, that's perfectly fine with me (and, I suspect, with Kirk).  I have enjoyed and been an avid participant in the riddles since they began as an off-list Riddle Chain over twenty years ago.  If others want to see the Rogue Riddles continue, then the best remedy is to participate.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

Re: Puzzles

Lars Hanson

Marilyn,

The Washington Post runs the LA Times crossword puzzle every day.  It is easier than the New York Times puzzles.  The New York Times puzzles are available on-line by subscription.  (I have used that feature for over twenty years to get puzzles when away from places where the Times is on sale.)

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:21 PM Marilyn Van Driesen via groups.io <merkv814=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

And unfortunately, I get the Washington Post and not the New York Times.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lars Hanson
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:43 AM
To: Interesting-Article@groups.io; PUNY
Subject: [puny] Puzzles

All,

For those interested in brain teasers, the New York Times crossword puzzle editor, Will Shortz, has begun running two new puzzle series in the Times.  In addition to the daily crossword and to daily sudoku puzzles (one 4x4, the other 6x6 — 5x5 and 7x7 on Sundays), The patter now runs a daily “Brain Tickler” and two “Two Not Touch” puzzles.

The “Brain Ticklers” often resemble Rogue Riddles in style and content.

Aloha,

Lars

======================

Re: Rogue Riddle Demise?

Lars Hanson

Bill,

Actually, the art-ups have been carefully worded to provide the context.  In many cases the definition of the answer is included in the setup.  In most cases,  reading the setup will provide the needed clues.  Concepts and content also are to be found in most setups.  The most successful approach is to use all of the information provided in the setup.

Nor do I use "crossword-style" clues.  Anything but!  :-D

Many, myself included, have found letter counts (which also provide word counts) useful.  Some obviously do not.

Yet again, it appears that a graduated approach really is going to be required.  Not all people on PUNY are of equal problem-solving ability, as is to ne expected.  Make themes simple enough for all to solve readily, and some will find the riddles too simple.  Make therm kore complex, and many, if not most, will find them too daunting.  So why not run, say, three levels of riddles?  There would be one for beginners, one for intermediates, and one for the more experienced.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:41 PM Bill Crider <bill.crider@...> wrote:
Perhaps making the riddles a bit easier or giving clearer clues would help. No offense meant here Lars, but i find your “crossword puzzle style” clues impenetrable.  That is not a criticism of you - they just don’t trigger whatever my mind needs to solve the puzzles. Word counts don’t really help either. Concepts or context are what i need.
Bill Crider

On May 4, 2020, at 9:08 AM, doug via groups.io <doug10101@...> wrote:

I'm with Ray. Sometimes, I maynard understand the riddles that seem to be coming from another atmosphere...I guess we're on the wrong plane

Doug S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Maynard <ray@...>
To: main@puny.groups.io; parkersan2001@... <parkersan2001@...>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 1:09 am
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

I'll just offer this as an independent opinion from one clearly not one of the elites in this group. For me, the Rogue Riddles are simply way over my head. I looked at the first few of them that I saw and quickly concluded that "these guys are in the stratosphere somewhere." I simply don't get them, so I don't participate. I enjoy puns. That's why I'm a member of the group, but the riddles are just way beyond my comprehension level. Perhaps that's the real reason for the lack of participation, or at least part of it.

Ray Maynard
ray@...

On 5/3/2020 12:04, doug via groups.io wrote:
what about offering a small prize to each week's winner, like a \$5 gift card to Starbucks (I send these all the time via email for my business)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 1:49 pm
Subject: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

All,

There seems to be some sort of misapprehension her about my and Kirk's statement on the Rogue Riddles.

Neither Kirk nor I have any particular desire to see the Rogue Riddles end.  Nor have we any particular desire to kill off the Rogue Riddles.  If anything, it is the general lack of participation in the riddles which is killing them off.

However, given the past several weeks during which Kirk and I simply traded Rogue Riddle sets with little or no participation by anyone else, and perfunctory other participation at best, it seemed yo us the game was dead.  Our conclusion that perhaps the Rogue Riddles have seen their day was based upon that lack of participation, and was not the result of any sinister motivations on our parts.

It takes time and effort to create and then administrate a Rogue Riddle series.  The more interesting and intriguing the riddles are, the more time and effort is required.  That time and effort is rewarded by the responses from the players.  No responses, no reward.  Quite frankly, if only one other person really is into the game, then it seems the game is dead. Hence our notes here.

If someone wants to continue the game, that's perfectly fine with me (and, I suspect, with Kirk).  I have enjoyed and been an avid participant in the riddles since they began as an off-list Riddle Chain over twenty years ago.  If others want to see the Rogue Riddles continue, then the best remedy is to participate.

Aloha,

Lars

=================================

--
Doug Spector

--
Doug Spector

Re: Rogue Riddle Demise?

bill crider

Perhaps making the riddles a bit easier or giving clearer clues would help. No offense meant here Lars, but i find your “crossword puzzle style” clues impenetrable.  That is not a criticism of you - they just don’t trigger whatever my mind needs to solve the puzzles. Word counts don’t really help either. Concepts or context are what i need.
Bill Crider

On May 4, 2020, at 9:08 AM, doug via groups.io <doug10101@...> wrote:

I'm with Ray. Sometimes, I maynard understand the riddles that seem to be coming from another atmosphere...I guess we're on the wrong plane

Doug S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Maynard <ray@...>
To: main@puny.groups.io; parkersan2001@... <parkersan2001@...>
Sent: Mon, May 4, 2020 1:09 am
Subject: Re: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

I'll just offer this as an independent opinion from one clearly not one of the elites in this group. For me, the Rogue Riddles are simply way over my head. I looked at the first few of them that I saw and quickly concluded that "these guys are in the stratosphere somewhere." I simply don't get them, so I don't participate. I enjoy puns. That's why I'm a member of the group, but the riddles are just way beyond my comprehension level. Perhaps that's the real reason for the lack of participation, or at least part of it.

Ray Maynard
ray@...

On 5/3/2020 12:04, doug via groups.io wrote:
what about offering a small prize to each week's winner, like a \$5 gift card to Starbucks (I send these all the time via email for my business)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Hanson <parkersan2001@...>
To: PUNY <main@puny.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 1:49 pm
Subject: [puny] Rogue Riddle Demise?

All,

There seems to be some sort of misapprehension her about my and Kirk's statement on the Rogue Riddles.

Neither Kirk nor I have any particular desire to see the Rogue Riddles end.  Nor have we any particular desire to kill off the Rogue Riddles.  If anything, it is the general lack of participation in the riddles which is killing them off.

However, given the past several weeks during which Kirk and I simply traded Rogue Riddle sets with little or no participation by anyone else, and perfunctory other participation at best, it seemed yo us the game was dead.  Our conclusion that perhaps the Rogue Riddles have seen their day was based upon that lack of participation, and was not the result of any sinister motivations on our parts.

It takes time and effort to create and then administrate a Rogue Riddle series.  The more interesting and intriguing the riddles are, the more time and effort is required.  That time and effort is rewarded by the responses from the players.  No responses, no reward.  Quite frankly, if only one other person really is into the game, then it seems the game is dead. Hence our notes here.

If someone wants to continue the game, that's perfectly fine with me (and, I suspect, with Kirk).  I have enjoyed and been an avid participant in the riddles since they began as an off-list Riddle Chain over twenty years ago.  If others want to see the Rogue Riddles continue, then the best remedy is to participate.

Aloha,

Lars

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Re: Puzzles

Marilyn Van Driesen

And unfortunately, I get the Washington Post and not the New York Times.

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From: Lars Hanson
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:43 AM
To: Interesting-Article@groups.io; PUNY
Subject: [puny] Puzzles

All,

For those interested in brain teasers, the New York Times crossword puzzle editor, Will Shortz, has begun running two new puzzle series in the Times.  In addition to the daily crossword and to daily sudoku puzzles (one 4x4, the other 6x6 — 5x5 and 7x7 on Sundays), The patter now runs a daily “Brain Tickler” and two “Two Not Touch” puzzles.

The “Brain Ticklers” often resemble Rogue Riddles in style and content.

Aloha,

Lars

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Re: Rogue Riddle Demise?

Lars Hanson

Bill,

Of course only some are interested in solving puzzles.  It is hardly an amusing engagement for all.  No surprises there.

As one who loves crossword puzzles, logic puzzles, sudoku, ken ken, Two Not Touch, Brain Ticklers, and other such intellectual; challenges, riddles appeal.

You are quite correct about Kirk Miller's exceptional talent for limericks.  One of the earliest members of that group, he has been the most prolific contributor by far.  The list was founded to draw a spate of doggerel from the PUNY list back in 1999.  The founding intent was to include limericks, haiku, and tanka poetry (haiku are a subset of Japanese tanka poetry).  For several years, CynMac was the most prolific haiku contributor to the list.

Aloha,

Lars

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On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:19 PM Bill Vietti via groups.io <eyesbydrvie-1=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I agree with Ray Maynard's comments. I must admit that I joined the "Limerick and Haiku" group because I like limericks. I'm not much interested in puns at all. And thus the riddles are just way too hard for my non-punning mind. I am totally impressed with the riddles and the work that must go into creating the games, but I have no interest in working through them. I enjoy Kirk's daily limericks and am blown away by his ability to transform the similes and phrases that he comes up with each day and put them into a limerick that makes sense. I wish more folks would post and/or reply to limericks on that group. But alas there are so many diversions these days and ways to focus our attention, I can see why there are more important and interesting places to place our emphasis each day. Best of luck with whatever direction you all take.  Bill V

Re: Rogue Riddle Demise?

Bill Vietti

I agree with Ray Maynard's comments. I must admit that I joined the "Limerick and Haiku" group because I like limericks. I'm not much interested in puns at all. And thus the riddles are just way too hard for my non-punning mind. I am totally impressed with the riddles and the work that must go into creating the games, but I have no interest in working through them. I enjoy Kirk's daily limericks and am blown away by his ability to transform the similes and phrases that he comes up with each day and put them into a limerick that makes sense. I wish more folks would post and/or reply to limericks on that group. But alas there are so many diversions these days and ways to focus our attention, I can see why there are more important and interesting places to place our emphasis each day. Best of luck with whatever direction you all take.  Bill V