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Hopalong Cassidy was really William Boyd
Cynthia MacGregor
And today is "Hoppy Boyd" day—to Jim E. Cyn Freelance writer/editor www.cynthiamacgregor.com Pass a smile along
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Re: :FATS RIDDLE #22 BINGO
arlen baden <volunteeratlarge@...>
From: Chris Gross ca_12_dozen@... [puny] ; To: yahoogroups ; Subject: [puny]:FATS RIDDLE #22 BINGO Sent: Fri, May 20, 2016 1:20:16 AM
On May 19, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Chris Gross <ca_12_dozen@...> wrote:
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Re: :FATS RIDDLE #22 BINGO
Chris Gross <ca_12_dozen@...>
Thanks CG
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:FATS RIDDLE #22 BINGO
Chris Gross <ca_12_dozen@...>
Arlen Baden cast out three lines and got a "hit"/BINGO on the third guess when he said:
On May 19, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Chris Gross <ca_12_dozen@...> wrote:
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Re: :FATS RIDDLE #22
Chris Gross <ca_12_dozen@...>
Made to scale is a BINGO!! I will announce. TYFP
On May 19, 2016, at 8:42 PM, "arlen baden volunteeratlarge@... [puny]" <puny@...> wrote:
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Re: :FATS RIDDLE #22
arlen baden <volunteeratlarge@...>
From: Chris Gross ca_12_dozen@... [puny] <puny@...>; To: yahoogroups ; Subject: Re: [puny]:FATS RIDDLE #22 Sent: Fri, May 20, 2016 12:30:18 AM
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:19 PM, Chris Gross wrote: Well, here I am - "One Sagan"
- to try to outwit and outplay all of you Riddlers out there in PUNY land . . . And notice - that unlike the immensely popular reality TV Show, Survivor - I did not use the third word of their "trilogy", "outlast". And here is why: these are supposed to be SPEED riddles, and meant to be EASILY solved!! So no, I don't want this to "last" very long at all. But alas, it's now past 6:00 pm, EDT, and I just now learned that I "survived" Gary's most recent, clever riddle. So here goes; please solve it tonight if you'd like - or tomorrow - and know that you won't have to come up with #23 until next Tuesday. If this stays unsolved by midnight tonight, I will revive it again on May 24. THE NOT-ON-THEME RIDDLE, 'CAUSE THERE AIN'T NO STINKIN' THEME! This is a "fill-in-the-BLANK" limerick . . . only "hint" to start, is that the limerick "scans" . . . Avid fisherman liked to regale 'Bout his catch: "was the size of a whale"! When you look on his wall, The fish seems rather small; His response? "It was just BLANK" As always, please DO NOT HIT REPLY OR REPLY TO ALL. Instead, send me a personal email with your guess to: ca_12_dozen@... Good luck! Chris G
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Re: :FATS RIDDLE #22
Chris Gross <ca_12_dozen@...>
I was AFC for a couple hours but will be monitoring the replies up until about midnight EDT. Will look again tomorrow, too, but after that, I won't check again until next week. I've had one guess so far but they didn't land the fish, as it were! Remember, the limerick "scans", so the last line has the exact number of syllables as the first and second lines. And since it's a limerick, the last word is a pun, and of course rhymes with the last words of lines 1 and 2. Don't let this one weigh you down . . . Chris
On Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:19 PM, Chris Gross wrote: Well, here I am - "One Sagan" - to try to outwit and outplay all of you Riddlers out there in PUNY land . . . And notice - that unlike the immensely popular reality TV Show, Survivor - I did not use the third word of their "trilogy", "outlast". And here is why: these are supposed to be SPEED riddles, and meant to be EASILY solved!! So no, I don't want this to "last" very long at all. But alas, it's now past 6:00 pm, EDT, and I just now learned that I "survived" Gary's most recent, clever riddle. So here goes; please solve it tonight if you'd like - or tomorrow - and know that you won't have to come up with #23 until next Tuesday. If this stays unsolved by midnight tonight, I will revive it again on May 24. THE NOT-ON-THEME RIDDLE, 'CAUSE THERE AIN'T NO STINKIN' THEME! This is a "fill-in-the-BLANK" limerick . . . only "hint" to start, is that the limerick "scans" . . . Avid fisherman liked to regale 'Bout his catch: "was the size of a whale"! When you look on his wall, The fish seems rather small; His response? "It was just BLANK" As always, please DO NOT HIT REPLY OR REPLY TO ALL. Instead, send me a personal email with your guess to: ca_12_dozen@... Good luck! Chris G
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:FATS RIDDLE #22
Chris Gross <ca_12_dozen@...>
Well, here I am - "One Sagan" - to try to outwit and outplay all of you Riddlers out there in PUNY land . . . And notice - that unlike the immensely popular reality TV Show, Survivor - I did not use the third word of their "trilogy", "outlast". And here is why: these are supposed to be SPEED riddles, and meant to be EASILY solved!! So no, I don't want this to "last" very long at all. But alas, it's now past 6:00 pm, EDT, and I just now learned that I "survived" Gary's most recent, clever riddle. So here goes; please solve it tonight if you'd like - or tomorrow - and know that you won't have to come up with #23 until next Tuesday. If this stays unsolved by midnight tonight, I will revive it again on May 24. THE NOT-ON-THEME RIDDLE, 'CAUSE THERE AIN'T NO STINKIN' THEME! This is a "fill-in-the-BLANK" limerick . . . only "hint" to start, is that the limerick "scans" . . . Avid fisherman liked to regale 'Bout his catch: "was the size of a whale"! When you look on his wall, The fish seems rather small; His response? "It was just BLANK" As always, please DO NOT HIT REPLY OR REPLY TO ALL. Instead, send me a personal email with your guess to: ca_12_dozen@... Good luck! Chris G
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FATS RIDDLE #21 (BINGO/REVEAL)
gary hallock
I sent this BINGO notice out over an hour ago and am still not seeing it in the PUNY feed. Thought maybe I could get it to you by forwarding a copy. - Gary
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FATS RIDDLE #21 (BINGO/REVEAL)
gary hallock
Cyn M. and Bill C. both solved this yesterday afternoon but could not claim. Chris G. now has nailed it with the answer I sought…. #### MOTOWN JIF Also wracking their brains somewhere in the background were Stan K. and Arlen B. Thank you for playing. GH =================== The not-at-all-related-to-Pat Benatar Tony Bennett or any other singer FATS RIDDLE #21 Clues #1 and #2 - Chirp…chirp…chirp! Zero players! Really? - How many different peanut butter makers can you name? How many nick-names does Detroit have? Clue #3 - The name of the comic strip which is the target phrase of this riddle is also a combination of two names. Did I mention that it's really really old? Clue #4 - Okay, it’s getting to be crunch(y) time for this riddle. The title of this old comic strip (Did I mention that it’s really old?) featured the names of the two main characters. One was considerably taller than the other. ^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^) Send or submit all guesses directly to <gary@...> (^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^
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FATS RIDDLE #21 (Clue #4)
gary hallock
The not-at-all-related-to-Pat Benatar Tony Bennett or any other singer FATS RIDDLE #21 Clues #1 and #2 - Chirp…chirp…chirp! Zero players! Really? - How many different peanut butter makers can you name? How many nick-names does Detroit have? Clue #3 - The name of the comic strip which is the target phrase of this riddle is also a combination of two names. Did I mention that it's really really old? Clue #4 - Okay, it’s getting to be crunch(y) time for this riddle. The title of this old comic strip (Did I mention that it’s really old?) featured the names of the two main characters. One was considerably taller than the other. ^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^) Send or submit all guesses directly to <gary@...> (^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^
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FATS RIDDLE #21 (Clue #3)
gary hallock
The not-at-all-related-to-Pat Benatar Tony Bennett or any other singer FATS RIDDLE #21 Clues #1 and #2 - Chirp…chirp…chirp! Zero players! Really? - How many different peanut butter makers can you name? How many nick-names does Detroit have? Clue #3 - The name of the comic strip which is the target phrase of this riddle is also a combination of two names. Did I mention that it's really really old? ^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^) Send or submit all guesses directly to <gary@...> (^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^
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Re: FATS RIDDLE #21
gary hallock
The not-at-all-related-to-Pat Benatar Tony Bennett or any other singer FATS RIDDLE #21
^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^) Send or submit all guesses directly to <gary@...> (^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^ Taking a cue from Budweiser’s summer rebranding its premier product as “America,” a popular brand of peanut butter has re-located their headquarters to Detroit and will incorporate that city’s popular nick-name into their reworked product name. Only problem is, it could cause confusion because it sounds very similar to the name of an old comic strip. What are they calling their new product? Clues #1 and #2 - Chirp…chirp…chirp! Zero players! Really? - How many different peanut butter makers can you name? How many nick-names does Detroit have? ^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^)^) Send or submit all guesses directly to <gary@...> (^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^(^
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ROGUE RIDDLE #816 (Bingo & Reveal)
gary hallock
Eventually I received reasonably accurate and completed worksheets from Charles W., Dave Perry, Lars H., and Bill C. Also showing up strong were Alex R. and Nivi E. but this week’s prize goes to Charles for being the firstest with the mostest. The expected answers have been rolled into the text of the set-up below. Thanks everyone for playing. Gary Hallock =============== I have some encouraging worksheets from Lars, Nivi, Alex and Charles but nobody has exactly sealed the deal. On reason could possibly be the fact that I inadvertently omitted a key word in my 3rd verse. That would be the word “”been” which I have now inserted and underlined into its proper place just ahead of the BLANK. Perhaps that may help those of you who remain somewhat stumped. If needed I will post some clues in the morning. Thank you for playing, Gary Hallock ========================== ROGUE RIDDLE #816 - (The Ides of May) - Posted May 15, 2016 @11:40pm CDT Deadline is midnight Tuesday ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($) That terrorist who best is forgotten The one we all knew was so rotten Whose future was nixed And by Seal Team "deep sixed” Today is a true “Has BLANK” Laden #### BIN Trump’s comb-over, some people say Looks like it might just blow away Don says, “Just you wait - On inaugural date My critics are going BLANK” #### TOUPEE Bob wasn't called "Bobby" for long As a teen he did many things wrong He became a tough crook When to stealing, he took Seems he should have been "BLANK" all along #### ROB To fulfill his dog-sledding dream A musher requires self esteem Lead dog must respect ‘im Or pack will reject ‘im And he’ll lose any BLANK with his team #### PULL When cherries are being de-seeded Stone silence from workers is needed Firm's firm on this matter Bans all BLANK patter Those naturally chatty feel cheated #### PITTER Assemble the 5 BLANKs from the 5 limericks above to phonetically simulate a phrase that can answer the “real riddle” question below. The “REAL RIDDLE” question... Nothing too convoluted here, just a straight question with a crooked answer. What cliche could be invoked when one merely moves money from one pocket to another? (Target phrase is also 5 words - Please submit your answer in both punned and un-punned version.) BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK / BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK ROB BIN PITTER TOUPEE PULL / ROBBIN’ PETER TO PAY PAUL ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)
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FATS RIDDLE #21
gary hallock
The not-at-all-related-to-Pat Benatar Tony Bennett or any other singer FATS RIDDLE #21
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FATS Riddle #20 - BINGO! PG-13
Chris Gross <ca_12_dozen@...>
On Thursday Nivi came within one word of solving, but Gary just BINGO'd this riddle by knowing that a rock star - and particularly Pat Benetar - wants a Head Shop owner to "Hit me with your best SHIT"! (For those who didn't know, Benetar's most famous song was "Hit me with your best shot" .... if you want to check her out, here's a Youtube clip Fire Away Gary!! Please send #21 at your convenience CG
On May 17, 2016, at 8:41 AM, "Chris Gross ca_12_dozen@... [puny]" <puny@...> wrote:
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FATS Riddle #20 - five sets of hints
Chris Gross <ca_12_dozen@...>
It's Tuesday which means time to get the daily riddles going again. I am now offering a fifth hint so that hopefully this one can get solved. I had one guess last week but while close, "it was no cigar"! Hint #1: The "BLANK" below consists of multiple words - six (6), to be exact. Hint #2: The word I need you to change is the 6th word Hint #3: The BLANK is a parodied song title with one changed word - the changed word is what fits the riddle, of course. There is but one letter of the changed word that is different from the original; (BTW, it happens to be the vowel) <---- extra hint! Hint #4: The word I'm looking for in the in the parodied song title is both a synonym for pot/weed/marijuana and is mildly offensive. ("Mildly offensive" is what millennials would say; the word was one of those that George Carlin said are part of the 7 words you can never say on television) <---- extra hint! Hint #5: A Head Shop is a place where marijuana and its paraphernalia is sold BTW, if you recall, the FATS "theme" has nothing to do with actual "fat" . . . but in a sense, I have heard joints referred to as "fatties", so this could be "on theme"!!  Fire Away!!Chris G =================== So, when Nivi crafted her Pat Benatar "Love is a Bad Dill Field", it got me thinking more about her and her genre. And although it was never reported, I'm sure that Ms Benetar had access to "weed" back in her heyday. So would it surprise you to know, that on a recent reunion tour with a stop in Denver, that Pat walked into a Head Shop? And when the proprietor asked her what she wanted, Pat exclaimed: "Why don't you BLANK"! Please send your guesses to: ca_12_dozen@... Instead of hitting "Reply to All" ...
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ROGUE RIDDLE #816 (Monday update)
gary hallock
I have some encouraging worksheets from Lars, Nivi, Alex and Charles but nobody has exactly sealed the deal. On reason could possibly be the fact that I inadvertently omitted a key word in my 3rd verse. That would be the word “”been” which I have now inserted and underlined into its proper place just ahead of the BLANK. Perhaps that may help those of you who remain somewhat stumped. If needed I will post some clues in the morning. Thank you for playing, Gary Hallock ========================== ROGUE RIDDLE #816 - (The Ides of May) - Posted May 15, 2016 @11:40pm CDT Deadline is midnight Tuesday ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($) Send all your guesses, grasps, gasps & groans directly to Gary Hallock <gary@...> ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($) That terrorist who best is forgotten The one we all knew was so rotten Whose future was nixed And by Seal Team "deep sixed” Today is a true “Has BLANK” Laden Trump’s comb-over, some people say Looks like it might just blow away Don says, “Just you wait - On inaugural date My critics are going BLANK” Bob wasn't called "Bobby" for long As a teen he did many things wrong He became a tough crook When to stealing, he took Seems he should have been "BLANK" all along To fulfill his dog-sledding dream A musher requires self esteem Lead dog must respect ‘im Or pack will reject ‘im And he’ll lose any BLANK with his team When cherries are being de-seeded Stone silence from workers is needed Firm's firm on this matter Bans all BLANK patter Those naturally chatty feel cheated Assemble the 5 BLANKs from the 5 limericks above to phonetically simulate a phrase that can answer the “real riddle” question below. The “REAL RIDDLE” question... Nothing too convoluted here, just a straight question with a crooked answer. What cliche could be invoked when one merely moves money from one pocket to another? (Target phrase is also 5 words - Please submit your answer in both punned and un-punned version.) BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK / BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($) Send all your guesses, grasps, gasps & groans directly to Gary Hallock <gary@...> ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($) Gary Hallock
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ROGUE RIDDLE #816
gary hallock
ROGUE RIDDLE #816 - (The Ides of May) - Posted May 15, 2016 @11:40pm CDT
($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($) Send all your guesses, grasps, gasps & groans directly to Gary Hallock <gary@...> ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($) No BOGUS BLANKS this week. Just 5 limerick-based riddles wherein you are asked to fill in 5 BLANK spaces. These 5 words can be rearranged to phonetically simulate a phrase that answers the “REAL” riddle question at the bottom. Pretty straightforward, huh? Deadline is midnight Tuesday ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($) Send all your guesses, grasps, gasps & groans directly to Gary Hallock <gary@...> ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($) That terrorist who best is forgotten The one we all knew was so rotten Whose future was nixed And by Seal Team "deep sixed” Today is a true “Has BLANK” Laden Trump’s comb-over, some people say Looks like it might just blow away Don says, “Just you wait - On inaugural date My critics are going BLANK” Bob wasn't called "Bobby" for long As a teen he did many things wrong He became a tough crook When to stealing, he took Seems he should have "BLANK" all along To fulfill his dog-sledding dream A musher requires self esteem Lead dog must respect ‘im Or pack will reject ‘im And he’ll lose any BLANK with his team When cherries are being de-seeded Stone silence from workers is needed Firm's firm on this matter Bans all BLANK patter Those naturally chatty feel cheated Assemble the 5 BLANKs from the 5 limericks above to phonetically simulate a phrase that can answer the “real riddle” question below. The “REAL RIDDLE” question... Nothing too convoluted here, just a straight question with a crooked answer. What cliche could be invoked when one merely moves money from one pocket to another? (Target phrase is also 5 words - Please submit your answer in both punned and un-punned version.) BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK / BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK BLANK ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($) Send all your guesses, grasps, gasps & groans directly to Gary Hallock <gary@...> ($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)—($)
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ROGUE RIDDLE #815 (Answer sheet)
gary hallock
There hasn’t been a lot of wind in my sails this week so I never got around to posting the results of this riddle. High score of 7 kills went to Stan, followed closely by Bill with 6. Somewhat further down the pecking order were Alex and Chris G. Presumably everyone else was preoccupied with licking their Pun-Off wounds.
Perhaps you might have noticed that I didn’t mention the word “BINGO” in my subject line since nobody even came close to completing the set and none of the players I heard from this week is in a position to claim a kill, so I guess the game just goes back to me… a somewhat sorry situation but not entirely unprecedented. Watch for #816 to launch sometime on Sunday. Answers have been provided below. Thank you for playing, Gary Hallock ============= ROGUE RIDDLE #815 (Launched at 11:20pm CDT) $($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($ Send all guesses, gripes, grunts and groans directly to Gary Hallock <gary@hallock.net> $($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($ ******* MOM’S THE WORD ********* Because so many of us were so preoccupied with the Pun-Off yesterday, you probably thought I wouldn’t have the strength or nerve to post a Rogue Riddle this week, but you’re wrong! Yes, my Mom did attend the contest yesterday but In celebration of her day today, I’ve composed a brief collection of clues that should lead you to words that contain concealed maternal reverences. (Warning: Some target words may have been used more than once) First person to supply me with all or most of the answers I seek, will win the honor of hosting next weekend. Would it kill you to claim a riddle now and then? You’re breaking my heart! Deadline will be Tuesday Midnight. CDT $($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($ Send all guesses, gripes, grunts and groans directly to Gary Hallock <gary@hallock.net> $($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($ 1. - Who allegedly preferred Dick over Tommy? #### MOTHER SMOTHERS 2. - I hope you did more than just send her a card or flowers. You really should give BLANK call today. #### GRAMOPHONE / GRAMMA PHONE 3. - If your dad’s Paw had a cheap camera, most photographs of his wife will be very BLANK. #### GRAINY / GRANNY 4. - If you need someone to come over an' nurse ya, she will quickly overcome inertia. #### MOM-ENTUM / MOMENTUM 5. - If a theoretical physicist was raised by his Father’s sister she might be considered his BLANK. #### AUNTIE-MATER / ANTI-MATTER 6. - Let's suppose Mrs. Duncan taught her son to play the cello. That would mean she was his BLANK. #### YO YO MA / YO-YO MA 7. - She set so many records when she was young, as she aged, they decided to name the award after her. #### GRAMMY / GRAMMY 8. - What flower is the favorite of the Kringle kids? #### CHRYSANTHEMUM / KRIS AND THE MUM 9. - If she was into rap music, the boy king would have called her this. #### MUMMY / MUMMY 10. - At the very least, what might a Munchkin regard his mother? #### MINIMUM / MINI-MUM 11. - When the old lady saw the immense size of the shopping plaza, she went into convulsions. Pop-Pop said it was apparently a case of BLANK BLANK BLANK. #### GRAND MALL SEIZURE / GRAND MAL SEIZURE 12. - The German Shepherd was not pure bred. Seems one of his parents was a BLANK. #### MUTTER / MUTTER $($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($ Send all guesses, gripes, grunts and groans directly to Gary Hallock <gary@hallock.net> $($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($($
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